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The College News
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Vol. L No. 22
BRYN MAWR, PA.
‘65 Freshman Week Schedule
Remains Similar to Last Year
The Freshman Week schedule
for 1965 has been announced by
Freshman Week Committee chair-
men Cile Yow, Kitty Taylor and
Terry Newirth. It is much the
Same as last year’s, with music
department appointments, gym
tunic fittings, the furniture sale,
library tours, Deans’ appoint-
ments, Miss McBride’s tea, the
various social events, and hockey
camp running almost continually.
These social events have been
altered somewhat by changing the
Haverford mixer on Friday night
to a square dance. The success-
ful dinner and dance with Prince-
ton on Saturday night will be re-
peated, as will coffee for the
freshmen in faculty homes.
The halls oven to the freshmen
on Thursday, September 23, with
the Freshman Week Committee
returning a day earlier. The rest
of the undergraduates will arrive
Saturday, September 25. The furni-
ture sale, Haverford mixer,
and cap and gown fittings are on
Friday; the Princeton mixer is
Saturday, and Miss McBride’s tea,
an Undergrad meeting and coffee
with the faculty areSunday. During
these four days placement tests
will be given for French, Spanish,
German and Physics. Monday, Sep-
tember 27, will begin with Con-
vocation in Goodhart at 8:45, then
the beginning of regular classes
and that evening, Parade Night.
Also during these four days will
be parties in the halls, presum-
ably so that the girls can meet
their fellow students as well as
students from Haverford and
Princeton. There will also be a
required meeting with the English
department and a talk withthe gym
department. Following the English
department meeting at 1:30 on
Thursday willbe a panel discussion
by some of the faculty on the
meaning of a liberal arts educa-
tion at Bryn Mawr.
In a quote from a letter to the
freshmen from the Freshman Week
Committee heads, the purpose of
these activities is outlined: ‘‘Un-
derlying these specific activities
is the hope that your first days
here will help you to recognize
yourself as a part of the college
community and that you will
achieve some feeling as to how
you can fulfill your role as a
student here.’’
Topics of Undergrad Meeting
Include Exchanges & Calendar
At the undergrad meeting on
Monday night the Exchange Com-
mittee, next year’s Undergrad
Eminent Speaker and the student
Calendar Committee were among
discussion topics.
Although Haverford has both a
student and faculty Calendar Com-
mittee, Bryn Mawr now has only
a student committee. It was decided
that for the committee to be ef-
fective, it should include both fac-
ulty and student members, and be
under the Curriculum Committee,
A sign-up list will be put up
for people interested in working
on the Calendar Committee. There
is no possibility of changing the
Seniors Prepare
Graduation Plans
For May 30, 31
May 30 and 31 are the dates for
1965’s commencement activities,
Garden Party will take place
Sunday from 3-5 p.m. in Wyndham
Garden. Seniors, their parents,
Garden Party girls, and the facul-
ty will attend,
At 6:15 p.m, the same day will
be the Baccalaureate service in
Goodhart Hall. The procession will
form at 5:50 in Taylor Hall.
Commencement will be at 10
Monday on Radnor Green, The pro-
cession forms at 9:30 at Taylor.
On Saturday, May 29, will be a
required rehearsal for commence-
ment. Seniors should assemble
on Taylor steps with their aca-
demic caps. In case of rain, they
should meet at Goodhart.
Bryn Mawr Alumnae Weekend
will follow commencement onJune
4, 5, and 6,
The alumnae program will in-
clude guided tours, dinners in
honor of faculty members,
lectures, picnics, class meetings,
‘and luncheons, Miss McBride will
present a talk on ‘‘ Reworking Edu-
cation in the University College.’”’
calendar until next year, but a
dorm will be opened this fall
for Bryn Mawr students taking
Haverford courses,
The Exchange Committee needs
reorganization; students do not
seem interested in it. There were
no academic exchanges this year.
It was suggested that a more
concrete program is needed for
the exchange program tobe worth-
while. Possibly each year those
who go on exchanges could look
into a certain area of the col-
lege’s life; for example, students
could be sent to schools with
different calendar systems, and
after they returned have a panel
discussion,
Also discussed was the Under-
grad Eminent Speaker for next
year. The Polish Ambassador to
the U.S, has been suggested, and
a list will be put up for more
suggestions,
MAY 7, 1965
© Trustees of Bryn Mawr College, 1965
25 Cents
Old Requirements Get the Boot,
Curriculum Aims For F lexibility
Next year will see major changes
in the Bryn Mawr curriculum, to go
into effect with the Class of’69.
The Curriculum Study Com-
mittee presented three main rea-
sons for the changes:
1) College preparation in sec-
ondary school has undergone majoy
revision in recent years,
2) The rapid expansion of knowl-
edge in all areas necessitates
several changes in approach on
the college level.
3) The increased number of col-
lege students planning to go on
to graduate school means _ that
’
the majority of present students
have different expectations: from
those of previous years.
The Committee has devised the
following program to meet these
challenges and to provide as much
flexibility as possible for the in-
coming students.
The present system of require-
ments has been abolished and anew
‘‘eroup’’? system established in its
place.
Beginning next year’ two
semesters of Freshman Comp will
be required, OR, proficiency at
this level may be established by
The cast of College Theater's production of THE CHERRY
ORCHARD, by Anton Chekhov, to be presented this Friday and
Saturday at 8:30 p.m. at Roberts Hall, Haverford. Tickets are
$1.00 for students, $1.50 for others, and may be purchased at the
box office.
Faculty Additions Announced
In Classics and Social Sciences
Bryn Mawr has added four new
names to its list of faculty ap-
pointments for next year in the
anthropology, sociology, Latin, and
history of religion departments.
The new Latin instructor is
Self-Gov Smoking Poll
Shows Lack of Interest
The results of the Smoking Poll
taken by Self-Gov., show no intense
interest among students ON the
question of smoking in Rhoads
and Erdman. Returned polls, only
452 out of the over 700 distributed,
ran slightly in favor of a rule
change.
Two types of questionnaires were
handed out: general, for the campus
at large, and special, for future
residents of Rhoads and Erdman,
Questionnaires from seniors were
also separated, since they would
not be here to live under any
such change,
The results of the general poll
(incl. Seniors) were 67% Yes out
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of 325; General Seniors only, 63%
out of 99; Rhoads Specials (incl.
Seniors), 57% out of 87; Rhoads
Special Seniors only, 54% out of
24; and Erdman, 56% out of 48.
Comments from the general
polls tended to be the type heard
around campus. Those opposed
feared for damage to rooms and
furniture. Those in favor felt
Simply that there was no reason
to Oppose smoking if it was safe.
The special polls included a
check list of objections. The two
most checked were that if per-
mitted, the non-smoker would find
freedom from smoke nowhere in
her dorm, and that more smoker
space could handle the problem.
Selv Gov says that these polls
were taken purely to collect
opinion. Any decision will be the
result of meetings with the Ad-
ministration who must also con-
sider insurance and other prac-
ticalities.
Francis Esterhill, who is now
a candidate for the Ph.D, at
Columbia University. Dr. Martin
Oppenheimer, now assistant pro-
fessor of sociology at Haverford,
will cross the tracks and lecture
in sociology at Bryn Mawr next
year.
Morton S, Enslin, Th.D., D.D.,
new lecturer in history of re-
ligion, received his AB from Har-
vard; previous to his latest posi-
tion at St. Lawrence University’s
Theological School, he taught at
Crozer Theological Seminary in
Chester, Pa., &at Philadelphia
Divinity School, and at the grad-
uate school at the University of
Pennsylvania.
Herbert L, Alexander, Jr., the
new anthropology lecturer, will
receive his Ph.D, from the Uni-
versity of Oregon in 1966, where
he has been a teaching assis-
tant since 1963. He graduated BA
from the University of Texas in
1954 and MA from Yale in 1962.
While in Texas, he and a group
of students made some excava-
tions and discovered a Paleo-
Indian rock shelter.
He has been published twice
in ‘American Antiquity’? in 1963
and 1964. Carrying on Miss de
Leguna’s tradition of research in
Brooks Range, Alaska, he has
spent two seasons working there.
a placement exam to be taken
upon arrival, or by advanced place-
ment. Also, additional sections
of Freshman Comp are being in-
stituted, to be announced at a later
date,
The language requirement has
been expanded to offer three
alternatives: proficiency in two
languages, proficiency in one lan-
guage and in mathematics, or pro-
ficiency in one language throug
the 300-level.
Major plans are under the group
system. The four groups are as
follows:
GROUP I -- History, Philoso-
phy, Anthropology, Economics,
Political Science, Sociology, and
Psychology.
GROUP II -- Biology, Chemis-
try, Geology, Physics, and Math-
ematics.
GROUP III -- English, Modern
Literatures, Classical Litera-
tures, and the foreign literatures
at the level presently permitted
under the literature requirement.
GROUP IV -- History, Philoso-
phy, Archaelogy, History of Art,
History of Music, and History
of Religion.
Students will be required to take
four courses (two half-courses
may be substituted for one full
course), one chosen from each
division. A student not majoring
in subjects under Group I! mdy™
take a second course under Group
II as an alternative to one of the
other divisional requirements.
Math may be chosen as this sec-
ond course but does not fulfill
the Group II requirement if only
one course in that group is taken.
No course satisfies more than
one divisional requirement. For
example, a course in History or
Philosophy fulfills either the Group
I or the Group IV requirement,
but not both. Also, divisional re-
quirements are separate from the
Freshman Comp and language re-
quirements,
The committee has also pro-
posed two other changes: (1) that
16 units rather than the present
15 1/2 be required for the A,B,
degree, and (2) that a limit of
six courses (i.e. twelve semesters)
in the major subject be set as
maximum for any undergraduate.
Hall Improvement
Due This Summer
Bryn Mawr’s halls will receive
a much-needed face lifting with
improvements to be made in the
course of the summer,
The additional space to be pro-
vided by Erdman will allow all
the halls toun-double many rooms.
All halls except Rhoads will also
have more public space for quiet
and for smoking.
Rockefeller’s inhabitants will
no longer have to climb across the
roof to Pembroke to take showers,
as the bathrooms of Rock will all
be completely redone, and showers
will be included in the new facili-
ties,
Pembroke East will have all
new flooring in students’ rooms
and new wall-to-wall carpeting in
the corridors,
The College Inn will be turned
over to students more than ever,
with the second floor providing
offices and possibly assembly
rooms, College Inn will take over
some of the functions of Goodhart
in providing room for various
meetings.
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Unjustified
For many months a significant minority of the country has been
up in arms over U, S, intervention in Vietnam. The complaints put
forth are mainly that this country has no justification for entering
the affairs of an independent nation, and that it has sent troops to
join what is essentially. a civil war in which the U.S, has no con-
cern, except that one side has been supported by Communist interests.
Yet last week, when President Johnson sent troops into another
country torn by civil war, there was little or no opposition to his
move,
The Dominican Republic existed as a dictatorship for almost thirty
years with full diplomatic recognition by the U.S, But suddenly,
after the Trujillo regime had been overthrown by Dominicans, and
after two coups had failed to provide responsible government, this
country felt it imperative to throw U, S, marines into the fray. No
one quarreled , and rightly so, with the need to protect U, S, citizens
in Santo Domingo. But are 20,000 American troops, more than half
the number currently fighting in Vietnam, really necessary to protect
a few hundred nationals? Washington believes that preventing the
threat of another Cuba-like Communist stronghold in the western
hemisphere is justification enough for taking over a country. And
it is true that General Wessin did ask for U.S. assistance. For a
country that supposedly believes in self-determination and the in-
violakle independence of free nations, however, this position is un-
tenable. We had no binding commitments in the Dominican Republic
as we do in Vietnam, no troops or supplies already involved in a
struggle that could not continue without our aid. In short, we had no
legal or moral justification for intervening in the internal affairs of
an unoccupied nation, whatever its geographical location. It is not
enough to declare that the U. S, has a right to force itself or its
system upon a nation situated near our coasts in order to protect
itself and its way of life.
. A cease-fire has now been arranged in Santo Domingo. Whether it
succeeds or not, only time will tell, but whether this one,or the next
one.or a far later one manages to end the bloodshed in the Dominican
Republic, one important question must remain to be answered. How
long will U, S, military forces continue to occupy the country, and
what part will they play in establishing a new government?
The U. S. may well be one of the most powerful countries in the
world today. But there are some things that even the U.S, cannot
do without incurring the wrath of free citizens everywhere. The
longer the U, S,. continues to stay in the Dominican Republic, the
more harm it will do to its already-tarnished world image.
Hurray!
In that infamous Mademoiselle article, ‘‘The Barefoot Intellectuals’’
(October, 1962), an unnamed administrative official at Bryn Mawr was
quoted as saying, in regard to our academic program, ‘‘Bryn Mawr
never makes changes. We just stand still and wait for the others to catch
up.’?
Whether or not the lady in question was quoted accurately (and, in
light of the rest of the article, we doubt it), the day has finally arrived
when such acomment can be happily laughedinto the oblivion it deserves.
For, as of this year, Bryn Mawr has indeed made changes, and they’re
good ones.
The Curriculum Study Committee is to be applauded for the new
requirements program, going into effect next year. By eliminating the
rigidity of certain aspects of the old system --i. e. you HAD to take
Freshman Comp.; you HAD to prove yourself at least mediocre in two
languages, ad nauseam -- and at the same time broadening the range
of the requirements, they have indeed succeeded in providing a real
flexibility for the incoming undergraduates.
The program is commendable, too, for its concentration on diver sifi-
cation, and subsequent safeguards against over-specialization. In
general, it appears to be a well reasoned and much needed measure,
and we can only say, as upperclassmen, we’re jealous!
Open Issue
Periodically a rash of robberies andriflingshitsone dorm or another
on campus and serves as a reminder that the apparatus for protecting
our valuable personal belongings is scarcely adequate,
Rooms do not have locks on the doors -- only closets do. It is absurd
for a student to gather up all phonographs, radios, cameras, wallets,
and similar treasures any time she departsfrom the premises. Yet this
is the only course open to her if she wishes to safeguard against the
small thefts that occur while students are away for the weekend or even
for part of a day.
Window locks are similarly important for anyone who values her
privacy. On May Day Eve a student on the ground floor of Rhoads had
to persuade some Haverford visitors against entering through her
window. Granted that this is an unfortunate once-a-year-phenomenon
-- it still makes a va'id point.
The spirit of Bryn Mawr is one of personal responsibility, Each girl
is expected as a matter of course to be capable of running her own life.
We are entrusted with an extensive academic and social honor system
tnat demands some degree of maturity for its successful operation, Do
we really believe that the prerogative of locking our rooms belongs to
an even higher plateau of responsibilities beyond our reach?
| LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
Concealed
To the Editor:
May I ask the courtesy of your
columns to reply briefly to the
letter from Grace Hamilton, Bar-
bara Mann, and Debby Unger de-
fending the State Department’s in-
terpretation of events in South
Vietnam? Their letter reveals an
unawareness of the role inter-
pretation plays in ‘‘getting the
facts.”’ They write: ‘‘If advan-
tage were taken of the informa-
tion publicly offered by the State
Dept., questions and criticisms
would indeed be answered.’’ But
of course what the State Dept.
offers is not raw ‘‘information’’
(there’s no such thing) but selected,
arranged, interpreted information
which must be subjected to critical
analysis. This is one of the prin-
cipal issues in the current debate,
that our government has deliber-
ately and continuously deluded it-
self. Correspondents and field
officers for the USIA have com-
plained publicly that reports have
systematically (and for years!)
been ‘‘sanitized,’’ each echelon
telling those superior what they
thought they wanted to hear.
Thus it is unwise, for instance,
to assume that the arguments of
such a scholar as Helen Lamb
can be dismissed merely by re-
asserting the government’s posi-
tion. Administration officials are
victims not only of the ‘‘gulli-
bility’? they impute to their
critics, but of self-righteousness
which is leading to an escalation
of self-justification, The pitying
contempt with which criticism has
been dismissed is misdirected and
professors and students have the
right and the duty to say so.
Ann Berthoff
(Mrs. Warner Berthoff)
Overt
To the Editor:
I was very happy to note that
literature from the State Depart-
ment on the US’s position in Viet
Nam has been available in Taylor.
As the authors of ‘‘Objectivity’’
say, students must examine both
positions intensely,
However, I disagree with several
of their assumptions about students
Sceptical Senior Tests
Value of Honors Paper
The following article was
written by a seniorhonors candi-
date, and does not necessarily
represent the opinion of THE
COLLEGE NEWS-ed.
At this time of year, when sen-
iors have just finished correcting
the 100th page of the third carbon
of their honors papers, and juniors
are still glowing from the ecstasy
of receiving the coveted invitation,
is a good time to consider the
entire subject of honors projects.
This spring, as every other
spring, many honors seniors are
coming to the end of nine months
of continual tension, punctuated by
weekly traumatic conferences with
an over-demanding advisor,
Others, who have worked less
doggedly, are having to probe both
intellect and conscience ina frantic
effort to produce 100 pages of
inspiration in six weeks, Neither
group is in a particularly good
humor,
Set against this appealing pic-
ture is an even more attractive
one: the juniors, both those who
have been asked to do honors
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o to be a questionnaire
to make everybody care...
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check one or both or write
in here.
are you in favor of pretzels
and beer?
if not, when did you enter this
country?
do you like spring or do you
consider it effrontery?
do you prefer silver or stainless
steel?
how do you feel about chamber
music for the glockenspiel?
or any alternate plan of your own
would you support a bi-college
phone
or subway or cricket match?
if so, which bi-colleges do you
have in mind?
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and those who haven't.
Those who have been invitedare
often so impressed with the cour-
teous little letter with the depart-
ment’s small but tasteful letterhead
that they cannot do otherwise than
accept. And perhaps they should.
Graduating with honors makes any
record look more impressive.
There is no overt pressure to
accept the invitation, Many seniors,
realizing that they gothrough agon-
ies with every five-page paper,
wisely do not undertake one 20
times that length. Others simply
don’t want the extra work. Or the
self-discipline.
Nevertheless, once a_ student
has been asked, there is, in the
very nature of the invitation, a
subtle pressure. It’s not easy to
resist the honor of being selected
from those with only 84,9 aver-
ages. The fact that only a limited
number of students are chosenen-
hances the prestige.
But what about those who were
not asked? Is the attainment of a
certain average a valid indication
of a student’s ability to work
independently? A lower average
may merely show that she does
too MUCH work on her own, per-
haps reading beyond class assign-
ments and consequently doing just
fairly on an exam covering only
the assigned coursework?
As the system exists now, hon-
ors has two major flaws: it is
often an unfairly given reward, or
it is a cumbersome burden, Stu-
dents unable to handle the inde-
pendence of an honors project
regardless oftheir average, should
not be induced by its prestige
value to accept it. And students
sincerely interested in working
with a certain teacher on a special
project should be allowed to, re-
gardless of their grades. The fact
that so many seniors regret having
done honors, in spite of its un-
deniable rewards, and the fact that
so many juniors suffer from not
being asked, indicates a need for
revision of the system,
There is no way to eliminate the
division in many departments be-
tween honors and non-honors sen-
iors, But it might be possible to
institute, on a large scale, project
courses (already in existence in
certain departments), In that way,
students desiring to work inde-
pendently would have the oppor-
tunity. If more students worked on
project courses, less superficial
prestige might be attached to hon-
ors,
And both juniors and seniors
would benefit from the placement
of proper emphasis on a valuable
opportunity,
who overtly support positions other
than the Government’s. First of
all, it is unfair to assume that,
simply because these students
were not at Haverford to hear
the State Department speaker, they
have not taken the opportunity
to inform themselves of his posi-
tion. The US Government position
is stated in press conferences,
speeches, releases, and in news
bulletins in the daily newspapers,
to a far greater extent than the
opposing positions are stated, In
addition, anyone who has tried
to explain what the authors of
the letter call ‘‘the SDS position,”
has had a great deal of practice
in confronting defendents of the
government policy and knows it
well,
Just incidentially -- I say ‘‘the
SDS position’’ because this position
is by no- means limited to
SDS adherents, nor was SDS
the first to profess it, Here the
term is a convenience for a po-
sition we all know about, but I
caution against its future use as
an all-encompassing handle for
many shades of other-than-Gov-
ernment positions,
In short, I find no justification
for implying that SAC, SDS and
others of non-government position
have not taken care to inform them-
selves of both sides, as is possible
in, and indeed vital to, a demo-
cratic society. Objectivity of ob-
servation is necessary for a true
evaluation of the situation; how-
ever, once a position has been
taken, I prefer ‘‘blatant’’ and
*fovert’? support of it, to timid
and vacillating support. That is
another necessity in a democratic
society - that we not be afraid
to stand up for anything we think,
Marion Scoon, ’68
Interpretation
To the Editor:
We are disturbed to find that
our comments have been misinter-
preted. We intended to put ‘‘dis- _
senters’’ on the defensive -- not
because we object to their position
but because we object to their
method. If we have provoked them
into examining the government’s
position more closely before criti-
cizing it, our ‘*mission’’ has been
successful, though misunderstood.
We have found that the govern-
ment’s position has been ignored.
Those who criticize it have
neglected to label opinions as such
and to suggest proofs for their
statements. We have tried to
avoid this carelessness. The
proofs for our statements have
admittedly been from the govern-
ment; our attempt has been merely
to restate its position.
We tend to respect the govern-
ment ‘‘propaganda’’ for two rea-
sons; (1) we feel that the people
speaking on the_ subject are
specialists -- they are the ones
who spend ALL their time study-
ing the situation, facts as well
as theories; (2) the opposition
has resorted so often to sensa-
tionalism and blanket statements
that we find it hard to sympathize.
Most strongly we object to ab-
solute statements declaring that
the US government is deliberately
deceiving its people. We ques-
tion that those who make such
claims (most of whom spend the
majority of their time and energy
on other matters than Viet-Nam,
in comparison to the government
full-time specialists) can place
place themselves in such a posi-
tion of omniscience.
Grace S, Hamilton, ’66
Barbara Mann, ’68
Debby Unger, ’67
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